WEBVTT 00:00:01.278 --> 00:00:07.057 It's the 13th of April 2023. I'm Chris and you're listening to Tips from the Top Floor episode 933. 00:00:07.920 --> 00:00:16.240 Music. 00:00:16.384 --> 00:00:19.697 Hey, hello and welcome it's Chris and you are listening to Tips from the Top Floor, 00:00:19.697 --> 00:00:25.857 the longest running photography podcast on the planet. I think it's like 17 or 18 years now, 00:00:25.857 --> 00:00:27.753 Which is kind of crazy. 00:00:27.857 --> 00:00:33.857 So what have I been up to lately? I've been doing recordings for various podcasts including Happy Shooting 00:00:33.857 --> 00:00:39.857 and The Future of Photography which tends to be a bit more regular than Tips from the Top Floor. 00:00:39.857 --> 00:00:43.857 We've just talked about your digital photography legacy. 00:00:44.174 --> 00:00:47.857 I really liked that episode. And what else have I done? 00:00:47.857 --> 00:00:52.857 I went to visit my parents for a long weekend which is always a bit of an endeavor. 00:00:52.857 --> 00:00:57.857 Seven hours of driving one way, so that adds like two days to a visit. 00:00:57.857 --> 00:01:04.996 Oh, oh, oh, and I've been working on a maker project for the upcoming Evi Workshop, which 00:01:05.257 --> 00:01:11.577 is still the favorite, most important event for me in the year. 00:01:11.577 --> 00:01:21.857 We've been doing this since 2009, annually. This year will be 33 people doing plus Boris, myself and Monika. 00:01:21.902 --> 00:01:24.437 So 36 people in total doing nothing. 00:01:25.404 --> 00:01:34.157 But photography stuff for a whole week in May. And one part that we established a few years ago 00:01:34.157 --> 00:01:38.934 is to make something photography adjacent with our own hands. A maker project. 00:01:40.501 --> 00:01:45.677 Because, I mean, this is where you want to be anyway. Being able to learn a craft and something. 00:01:45.677 --> 00:01:52.157 So a couple years ago we made a large format pinhole camera out of cardboard. 00:01:52.157 --> 00:01:58.837 Last year we ratcheted it up with a front bokeh generator, which was an electronics project. 00:01:58.837 --> 00:02:08.696 And this year we... Well I can't say much because I don't want to spoil the surprise. That is part of it. 00:02:08.957 --> 00:02:13.998 But it involves wood and a tripod head. 00:02:14.417 --> 00:02:27.417 That's all I can say right now. 00:02:28.771 --> 00:02:35.981 Yeah, this will be awesome. And I'll be able to show and tell and talk more about it once it's 00:02:35.981 --> 00:02:43.181 over four weeks to the to the close the Geister workshop. Anyway, today good friend of the show 00:02:43.181 --> 00:02:48.918 Alan Attridge is back and we will discuss a whole host of new developments and updates including, 00:02:49.557 --> 00:02:54.381 an updated film photography book, a French influencer law, semantic segmentation in real 00:02:54.381 --> 00:03:03.501 real time using AI. That's a mouthful. DP reviews, archive woes, a new film stock by Fuji and the Mickey Mouse, Leica and, 00:03:04.006 --> 00:03:14.261 Dali coming to a browser near you. Well, let's go. Welcome to the show. Alan, how are you? Oh, we're going already? Yes, we're 00:03:14.261 --> 00:03:22.341 right in the show. Whatever was before that is I will record this after we finished recording. Oh, okay. I know how 00:03:22.341 --> 00:03:23.892 technology works now. Okay. 00:03:24.141 --> 00:03:30.221 It's called editing. It's called editing. Just in case there's a disaster here and then I can 00:03:30.337 --> 00:03:32.633 prefix that and prepare people. 00:03:32.701 --> 00:03:38.821 I have no idea what we're gonna, well, do I have an idea what we're gonna talk about? So, Alan 00:03:38.861 --> 00:03:41.572 Attridge, host of The Two Hosers, 00:03:41.968 --> 00:03:49.821 photographer, filmmaker, cabinet maker extraordinaire. What else is there? 00:03:50.728 --> 00:04:03.801 The Extraordinaire seems excessive. It's so much fun following your progress from the first, I'm not saying, compared to some 00:04:03.801 --> 00:04:09.121 of the top shelf YouTubers that have done that for their entire life, this is a journey 00:04:09.121 --> 00:04:15.941 where you can come along with someone who's teaching himself woodworking. 00:04:15.941 --> 00:04:23.941 That's the idea. That was the basis of our show, the Two Hosers Photo Show, which we started 12 years ago. 00:04:23.941 --> 00:04:28.901 The idea was that Adam, the guy I do the show with, had zero knowledge. 00:04:28.901 --> 00:04:35.661 And so the idea was that the listener could associate with Adam and follow along and learn with him. 00:04:35.661 --> 00:04:40.381 And that's kind of what I wanted to do with the woodworking, is I had a base, little bit 00:04:40.381 --> 00:04:44.417 of knowledge. I knew enough to be dangerous to myself. 00:04:44.901 --> 00:04:47.343 And to say that I taught myself, that's kind of the... 00:04:48.882 --> 00:05:03.732 I guess a falsehood. I mean, I follow along all these brilliant people on YouTube who are excellent with their time and their skills, and very open to sharing. And if you pay attention and do what they say, you can, turns out you can build a pretty solid knowledge base. 00:05:03.732 --> 00:05:31.732 Isn't that just so amazing? I mean over the last, I don't know, 20 years the whole game of learning something new, learning a new skill has completely moved over to online, to YouTube, to tutorials and we have all developed new skills that are now also include being able to tell a bad tutorial from a good tutorial. 00:05:31.732 --> 00:05:37.872 So it's really amazing how this whole landscape in photography as well has changed, totally changed. 00:05:37.872 --> 00:05:43.452 Part of that is your fault though, your fault and a couple of other people too, of course, 00:05:43.512 --> 00:05:50.287 uh, David Hobby was a huge, he was the big one, the big game changer, because up to that point. 00:05:50.773 --> 00:05:53.292 I mean, he was doing a blog, he started off doing the Strobist blog. 00:05:53.681 --> 00:05:59.692 Um, but up to that point, anybody I ever encountered who knew anything was very 00:05:59.692 --> 00:06:05.832 protective of that knowledge. Um, as, as sort of the sort of built in exclusivity of, of no, 00:06:05.832 --> 00:06:11.732 I've got it. No one else can do it. In fact, when I was in, in, in film school, way back when 00:06:11.812 --> 00:06:16.612 1998, wow, I need to catch my breath. Hold on. 00:06:16.972 --> 00:06:24.369 Uh, 1998, there was a, a film productions, uh, audio house in town where I was going to school 00:06:24.504 --> 00:06:28.096 and they, they'd done a few motion pictures, uh, like low budget things. 00:06:28.627 --> 00:06:32.532 Um, I won't name them because I don't want to out these guys, but I basically 00:06:32.532 --> 00:06:39.718 my, my, my, my, my teacher knew them quite well and I said, look, I don't want to be a sound guy, even though I'm doing a podcast years later, but I, 00:06:40.212 --> 00:06:46.192 don't want to be a sound guy, but I would like to know all there is to know about everything really. 00:06:47.172 --> 00:06:50.452 So I would love it. If I will volunteer, I'll come here, work here for free. 00:06:51.250 --> 00:06:54.192 I just want to, I just want to be here and watch what you guys do in the, in 00:06:54.192 --> 00:07:00.672 like the recording studio and the dubbing and like the ADR and all the stuff that you guys do. I just want to I'll help I'll 00:07:00.672 --> 00:07:09.072 sweep the floors. I don't care. They said no, no, thank you. We don't want you looking behind the curtain. And I thought, Oh, 00:07:09.072 --> 00:07:16.745 wow, that was my intro to that world of forget it. I know something you don't and it's gonna stay that way. And that 00:07:16.912 --> 00:07:23.232 changed. And then and then I started reading Mr. Hobby. I met you and you have you have, I mean, on a personal note, you 00:07:23.232 --> 00:07:29.552 You've always been very, very open with, hey, here's how you do this, or here's how I do this. 00:07:29.552 --> 00:07:33.712 Why don't you try this? Here's what I know. Take it and run with it. 00:07:33.712 --> 00:07:39.032 And that kind of inspired me to do basically this exact same process. 00:07:39.032 --> 00:07:42.272 If anybody ever wants to know anything, I'm happy to tell them. 00:07:42.272 --> 00:07:46.232 And what is this, besides them getting good at stuff, what is the side benefit to you? 00:07:46.232 --> 00:07:47.145 Have you noticed anything? 00:07:48.171 --> 00:07:52.941 Well, it's the karma principle at work. You give something, you get something. 00:07:52.941 --> 00:07:57.471 I mean, that's pretty much... That's what it comes down to for me, you know? 00:07:57.821 --> 00:08:05.771 But what do you get? I'll tell you what I got. I'll make this much shorter than it needs to be. I got better. 00:08:06.311 --> 00:08:12.421 Yeah. Oh, oh, oh. Obviously, the teacher learns most. That's really the thing. 00:08:12.421 --> 00:08:17.741 If you try to help other people understand something and be better at something, that's 00:08:17.741 --> 00:08:21.345 a growth, that's a secret to growth for yourself. 00:08:21.831 --> 00:08:30.221 Totally. Plus adding, like basically putting competition out there, I find to be a very healthy process. 00:08:30.302 --> 00:08:35.082 It's as if, you know, you want to be the fastest lion, you better get out there. 00:08:35.421 --> 00:08:39.341 So watching your YouTube channel, the Wood, what is it again? 00:08:39.341 --> 00:08:43.301 Holtzfeller, give me the title again. Holtzfeller, I've been, well, you tell me, is 00:08:43.301 --> 00:08:45.138 that a bad name? Should I change it? 00:08:45.471 --> 00:08:50.746 Well, Holzfäller is German for like lumberjack. Lumberjack, that's the joke. 00:08:50.961 --> 00:08:55.981 But I might just go with the old Yellow Pages. No, leave it. ABC 123 would work. 00:08:56.166 --> 00:09:08.184 Leave it, it works. So here's my question. It's awesome to watch you become better in that process and you're documenting that. 00:09:08.301 --> 00:09:15.998 Are you also planning to have a second podcast or a second YouTube channel up that documents. 00:09:16.701 --> 00:09:24.661 Your changes over time of how you documented the photography of it, the videography of it, the editing? 00:09:24.661 --> 00:09:31.261 Your shows changed. Initially, it was a lot of you talking to the camera and now you're doing more montages 00:09:31.261 --> 00:09:34.181 that you talk over so you have more visuals. 00:09:34.181 --> 00:09:42.941 Like the whole style has changed over the last 10 episodes. 00:09:44.688 --> 00:09:49.338 That was my plan from the beginning, was to have the initial videos be longer and basically then 00:09:49.338 --> 00:09:55.338 and then the later ones be referential to those earlier ones. It's becoming, it's always a show 00:09:55.338 --> 00:09:59.418 and tell, but it has been more of a tell in the beginning, it's now becoming more of a show. 00:10:00.397 --> 00:10:05.818 Yes, oh good point, never thought of it in that respect. And of course, as we know, 00:10:05.818 --> 00:10:09.818 No, a picture says more than a thousand words, and that is true. 00:10:09.818 --> 00:10:19.338 So the later ones, they're much easier to consume. The first ones have a lot of information in them. 00:10:19.338 --> 00:10:24.496 Like you explain a lot of details, which people have to extract by watching now more. 00:10:24.883 --> 00:10:30.464 But on the other hand, I think the entertainment value has increased this way. 00:10:31.218 --> 00:10:39.978 Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I think part of it too is, at least my initial thought process was if people are going to 00:10:39.978 --> 00:10:43.938 come along, there's millions of YouTube creators out there, right? 00:10:43.938 --> 00:10:50.378 And so if you want to watch anything about, you can find anything you want on the internet, 00:10:50.378 --> 00:10:52.718 on Google, on whatever. 00:10:52.718 --> 00:10:58.138 And I wanted to make this a little bit more of a personal journey so you can associate 00:10:58.138 --> 00:11:01.238 with me whether you like me or hate me or somewhere in between. 00:11:01.238 --> 00:11:07.318 Maybe it's in between or whatever, but you can associate with that person and it becomes 00:11:07.318 --> 00:11:11.638 a more personable story that you want to follow along. 00:11:11.638 --> 00:11:16.518 And that was the beginning, we sort of introduced who I am, I hope, a little bit, and then get 00:11:16.518 --> 00:11:22.317 a little bit more into the denser process. 00:11:22.558 --> 00:11:26.206 So what's next for Holzfeller woodworking? 00:11:27.404 --> 00:11:33.014 Well that's the thing, the next move is... How many other projects have you lined up? Are you going to change any of the videography again? 00:11:33.014 --> 00:11:35.380 Are you moving ahead in that respect? 00:11:36.388 --> 00:11:44.553 Oh boy, how is that going to change? Eventually I'd like... I think it's all fully planned out, right? All the detail for the next 20 episodes, right? 00:11:45.093 --> 00:11:46.614 You do have a production plan, don't you? 00:11:47.494 --> 00:11:52.214 No. Next one's going to be a birdhouse. Spoiler alert, I haven't even started yet. 00:11:52.961 --> 00:11:56.085 It's a bird house, but for money. 00:11:56.374 --> 00:11:59.911 So a money house, but it doesn't sound that good when you say money house. 00:12:00.505 --> 00:12:04.484 A geldhaus? Is that what you say? That's a bank, right? The money house is a bank. 00:12:05.014 --> 00:12:10.734 I don't think those exist anymore from what I'm reading the news. 00:12:10.734 --> 00:12:16.061 This is actually a lot more of a logistical nightmare than I thought it would be. 00:12:16.294 --> 00:12:20.414 The baseball team I play for, we have a couple of teams in the Bundesligas, in the German 00:12:20.414 --> 00:12:21.930 in softball and baseball. 00:12:22.414 --> 00:12:28.974 We charge admission fees, but it's a whole gray area right now, and so I proposed to our board, 00:12:28.974 --> 00:12:32.436 hey, instead of actually having tickets and admission, 00:12:32.574 --> 00:12:38.738 why don't we create, I don't like to say donation box, but like a admissions box. 00:12:39.014 --> 00:12:39.854 A tip jar. 00:12:40.178 --> 00:12:44.472 For people, kind of, but it's like that, you know. 00:12:44.814 --> 00:12:49.534 But the idea is, we're called the Tubing and Hawks, and I know hawks have a nest, but a tip nest. 00:12:49.534 --> 00:12:52.727 Ah, that's where the bird reference comes. I see. 00:12:52.814 --> 00:12:56.934 I see. However, so I want to make it. And now the idea is that the front 00:12:56.934 --> 00:12:59.371 will be made of plexiglass so that people. 00:13:00.014 --> 00:13:04.894 I think people are more apt to tip once they see that there's other people have already paid. 00:13:04.894 --> 00:13:10.354 So you'll glue a few bills to the inside to make it look like it's already full. 00:13:10.734 --> 00:13:13.374 I'm going to put a few Canadian dollars in there. There you go. 00:13:13.522 --> 00:13:16.614 Old. A couple loonies and toonies. But so the idea is to have that. 00:13:16.614 --> 00:13:23.694 And then it has to be able to open and be securely locked. And also there's a lot more going on than I thought. 00:13:23.694 --> 00:13:25.711 And so I wish I hadn't volunteered. 00:13:26.576 --> 00:13:31.023 To make this but also we open on Saturday so I better get going. 00:13:31.446 --> 00:13:37.946 There you go. So and of course the filming of it makes the whole process about twice as long I guess. 00:13:38.906 --> 00:13:40.746 That's a conservative estimate. 00:13:42.666 --> 00:13:44.426 That does not include the editing. 00:13:46.746 --> 00:13:51.466 Getting faster at the editing because I do, that's the one thing I think I have. 00:13:52.520 --> 00:13:56.697 An advantage over most of the YouTubers. Oh, you do this as a profession. 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:02.746 Right, as coming with a film background, learning woodworking, it's OK, I know what to shoot, 00:14:02.746 --> 00:14:03.746 how much footage to get. 00:14:03.746 --> 00:14:09.026 This is when I started the podcast, 18 some years ago. This is when I started Tips from the Top Floor. 00:14:09.026 --> 00:14:14.906 I had an audio background, so the whole recording and editing, that was not the big deal. 00:14:14.906 --> 00:14:17.637 It was the talking about a topic every week. 00:14:17.866 --> 00:14:26.180 That was the, initially three times a week, so I was crazy. You remember the very, like when I first started the hosers, you were working down the street 00:14:26.270 --> 00:14:29.746 from my apartment back in the French Quarter there. 00:14:29.746 --> 00:14:40.205 And you came by like a month in and saw my process and you were horrified at my lack of audio knowledge. 00:14:40.466 --> 00:14:48.306 And of course I was probably very insensitive about it in the way I gave you feedback. 00:14:48.306 --> 00:14:51.512 No, that's just German. This is me being a German, yes. 00:14:52.006 --> 00:14:56.046 Very direct. Oh, I appreciated it. You said, okay, you said, hey, like, aren't you 00:14:56.046 --> 00:15:00.586 using a compressor? And I was like, like to blow the dust out of my studio, like what are we talking about? 00:15:01.289 --> 00:15:04.886 And, uh, and you set it all up. You, you got all set here. Here's what you want to do. 00:15:04.886 --> 00:15:09.726 Here's how a compressor works. Again, back to being very, very, uh, open with 00:15:09.766 --> 00:15:11.926 your knowledge. And you said, here's what you want to do. 00:15:12.433 --> 00:15:18.506 Yeah. And, uh, and I, I did it. And so now my, I can hear, I don't urge anybody 00:15:18.506 --> 00:15:23.586 to go back and listen, but if you listen to the early episodes. And like if it wasn't a one every from every 00:15:23.586 --> 00:15:24.703 season of our show. 00:15:25.712 --> 00:15:30.562 I can hear the difference in the quality as I got better at audio production. 00:15:30.825 --> 00:15:36.562 Well, but this is an ongoing learning process and the amount of resources out there is just amazing. 00:15:36.562 --> 00:15:40.562 So, no one has that excuse anymore that no one told them. 00:15:40.646 --> 00:15:47.562 No. So, of course, links to Halsfjallraud's working and to everything is in the show notes. 00:15:47.562 --> 00:15:52.562 Let's do the news. Let's go into what's up on the news right now. 00:15:52.562 --> 00:16:01.362 And yeah, I've put together a little bouquet of things. I'll toot my own horn first just to get this going. 00:16:01.362 --> 00:16:02.666 The Film Photography Handbook. 00:16:02.842 --> 00:16:06.322 You'll remember the early days of that. 20, oh, when did I start? 00:16:06.322 --> 00:16:09.769 I think that was 2015 when we wrote the first edition. 00:16:09.902 --> 00:16:11.569 I had it in my hands yesterday. 00:16:11.962 --> 00:16:17.122 I'm not even kidding you. Awesome. It's just been released in the third edition. 00:16:17.122 --> 00:16:31.770 We have updated it twice, which I find so amazing given that film photography was pretty much gone for a while when digital came in. 00:16:32.042 --> 00:16:35.722 For those who don't know the film photography handbook, it's pretty much if you want to 00:16:35.722 --> 00:16:39.162 learn about film photography and if you want to learn to do film photography and develop 00:16:39.162 --> 00:16:44.815 your film, that's all in there. When you want to learn. When you want to learn, yeah. 00:16:45.562 --> 00:16:47.562 Of course. Of course. 00:16:48.623 --> 00:16:56.602 So it's for experienced photographers, but new film photographers will have a good time. 00:16:56.602 --> 00:17:05.562 There's hybrid process in their film digital workflows for digitizing negatives and using 00:17:05.562 --> 00:17:11.506 current means of helpers in terms of different apps and that kind of stuff. 00:17:12.042 --> 00:17:20.762 All the formats 35, 120, 4x5 large format and so on. And the updates this time, you know, this is 00:17:20.762 --> 00:17:28.042 this kind of an innocent email from the editors asking, we think we might want to update it again, 00:17:28.042 --> 00:17:34.522 just to keep it current with like films being taken off the market, new films coming on the 00:17:34.522 --> 00:17:39.476 market, this kind of stuff, because we have tables in there for films and so on. And then this just. 00:17:40.638 --> 00:17:44.362 And this is the second time for us that we update this book and it's like this 00:17:44.362 --> 00:17:47.522 oh it kind of spiraled out of control and now we have a new chapter in there 00:17:47.522 --> 00:17:57.082 an instant photography of Polaroid cameras and replicas and instax formats and camera backs and an entire new thing on color film photography and on 00:17:57.082 --> 00:18:00.962 digitizing negatives. We had the scanning method in there but we haven't really, 00:18:02.486 --> 00:18:08.656 We talked a lot about the digitizing using a camera with a copy stand and a backlight and a macro lens. 00:18:09.346 --> 00:18:16.496 So that one is in there in a lot of detail now. And even a whole thing on crowdfunding for film photography projects. 00:18:16.496 --> 00:18:21.536 So we have, yeah, so it's more work than we anticipated. 00:18:21.536 --> 00:18:25.816 But hey- But this means you're seeing a real uptick in the interest in film though. 00:18:25.816 --> 00:18:28.576 Oh, film is not dead at all. 00:18:28.576 --> 00:18:32.616 I mean, there's a significant renaissance in film photography. 00:18:32.616 --> 00:18:39.107 We see a lot of interest. If you look at Fuji Instax, for example, 00:18:39.596 --> 00:18:41.052 that is their cash cow. 00:18:41.436 --> 00:18:46.496 That makes so much more money than all their digital photography stuff combined, 00:18:46.615 --> 00:18:48.776 their cameras and so on, and lenses and so on. 00:18:48.776 --> 00:18:57.364 The whole analog experience with one of a kind images and stuff that you can actually hold in your hand as opposed to just 00:18:57.656 --> 00:19:03.016 swiping across on your screen, that is so enticing to an entirely new generation. 00:19:03.882 --> 00:19:07.491 So, yeah. My kids included. My kids have a lot of questions. 00:19:07.896 --> 00:19:13.415 So I had shot film way back in the old days. We had a darkroom at my high school when I was in grade 9. 00:19:13.883 --> 00:19:20.336 Sorry, 9th grade in America, but grade 9 we call it. And so we did black and white photography. 00:19:20.336 --> 00:19:25.336 I learned enough again to get by and then put it away for a long time. 00:19:25.336 --> 00:19:27.918 I shot film, but I had it all processed at a lab. 00:19:28.616 --> 00:19:38.136 And then met you again way back in 2011. And then you were shooting a lot of film. 00:19:38.316 --> 00:19:40.341 And I said, I wanna start this again. 00:19:40.692 --> 00:19:42.411 But I had no idea where to start. 00:19:42.776 --> 00:19:48.356 And film, and let me tell everybody, film, shooting your own film and processing it 00:19:48.356 --> 00:19:56.196 and all that involved is an extremely complicated process made up of very simple procedures. 00:19:56.736 --> 00:20:00.436 If you break it all down, which which is what you do, especially in this book, 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:02.936 you tell people, you don't know what you don't know. 00:20:03.018 --> 00:20:05.976 That's always in life. But so you don't know where to start. 00:20:05.976 --> 00:20:07.336 What do you like? What do you buy first? 00:20:07.672 --> 00:20:12.576 Like, what do you get? Well, you change back maybe if you're doing it, but it's probably in the book. 00:20:14.162 --> 00:20:18.516 But you break this all down into into very, very simple things. 00:20:18.516 --> 00:20:20.779 And then all of a sudden you put them all together. 00:20:20.896 --> 00:20:27.891 And I won't say you've created a symphony, but you know, it's like with every new thing you will. 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:34.849 You will build something and the level of satisfaction that still comes out of 00:20:34.849 --> 00:20:42.609 pulling that developed film out of the film tank, that's the moment for me. 00:20:42.609 --> 00:20:47.969 It's like, okay, there's something on it, it's good negatives, they have the right density, 00:20:47.969 --> 00:20:55.569 they look good, there's definitely enough stuff on there to digitize, to keep on working in Lightroom 00:20:55.569 --> 00:21:03.969 or whatever you want to use. It's a very satisfying process. It's with everything where you put your 00:21:03.969 --> 00:21:10.256 own work in. With your cabin, it's the same thing. You're building something and that is. 00:21:11.471 --> 00:21:16.449 Going to be special for you. I explain this to my kids. This is how I raise my kids, 00:21:16.584 --> 00:21:23.169 just in life, not photography or related. In general, I hear a lot of people talking about 00:21:23.291 --> 00:21:29.718 the idea of happiness. And I personally don't buy into that idea of happiness. Happiness is fleeting. 00:21:29.862 --> 00:21:33.544 McDonald's sells a happy meal. Good luck. In five minutes, you're not going to be happy. 00:21:33.661 --> 00:21:41.329 But instead of happiness, focus on fulfillment. And that to me is, film photography is a great 00:21:41.329 --> 00:21:46.609 example of that. I still love digital. We're done with this argument, right? Digital versus film. 00:21:46.742 --> 00:21:54.129 Two separate animals. But there is something wildly fulfilling about shooting a roll of film. 00:21:54.129 --> 00:22:02.369 Especially in times where things are becoming more and more virtual. And just the whole maker 00:22:02.369 --> 00:22:10.209 aspect of it is fulfilling. Anyway, it's on the market now. It's out. There's a code if you get 00:22:10.209 --> 00:22:12.056 Get it from the publisher, that's Rocky Nuke. 00:22:13.669 --> 00:22:18.070 Let me see, the code is film40, F-I-L-M 40, that gives you 40% off. 00:22:18.869 --> 00:22:22.149 And this is in English and German, correct? The film photography, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:22:22.149 --> 00:22:25.667 Third edition is out in German and in English, yes. 00:22:26.847 --> 00:22:29.827 And then French soon. I'm working on the translation right now. 00:22:30.601 --> 00:22:37.537 We do have weird translations for the book. 00:22:37.537 --> 00:22:42.297 Let me check. We have an Italian translation for the film photography book, 00:22:42.297 --> 00:22:44.518 I think the second edition. 00:22:44.617 --> 00:22:48.237 There's usually a publisher making these deals and then telling us that, oh, by the way, 00:22:48.237 --> 00:22:56.068 it's going to be translated too. So it's out in Germany. It's in Chinese. It's out in Chinese. 00:22:56.177 --> 00:23:02.874 And yeah, German. So German, English, Chinese, and Italian, which is mind blowing. 00:23:03.459 --> 00:23:09.177 Yeah, I bet. The fact that you've written more books than I've ever read. So I'm impressed. 00:23:09.177 --> 00:23:14.657 Well, the translations I have not written. I have helped with the English translations 00:23:14.657 --> 00:23:20.572 because I speak English, but the Chinese and the Italian, I totally have to rely on the translator. 00:23:21.076 --> 00:23:26.297 So anyway. Look forward. To anybody out there, I suggest if you're thinking 00:23:26.297 --> 00:23:31.077 about even shooting film, pick this up because it breaks it all down, makes it, it makes you want to 00:23:31.077 --> 00:23:31.906 go out and shoot film. 00:23:32.311 --> 00:23:35.577 And as I said, it was in my hand yesterday. I haven't looked at it in a while. 00:23:35.617 --> 00:23:38.857 I was cleaning some things up. Oh, here's the book. Which edition do you have? 00:23:39.144 --> 00:23:40.097 Which one is this first one? 00:23:40.503 --> 00:23:42.646 I think it's number 002. Yeah. 00:23:43.097 --> 00:23:47.867 We should, we should, we should update you. I'll, I'll make sure you get a copy of the new one. 00:23:48.497 --> 00:23:50.217 Awesome. Want it in German or in English? 00:23:51.324 --> 00:23:53.377 Well, I have it in English. I'll go German. 00:23:53.377 --> 00:23:57.257 Let's do, give me the Quebecois one and we'll, that will be better. 00:23:57.257 --> 00:23:59.120 That will follow sometime. 00:23:59.257 --> 00:24:07.897 Yeah. Alright, let's go on and do a little quick fire round of news because there's a lot of things happening. 00:24:07.897 --> 00:24:17.897 Here's a really fresh one which is photo adjacent, which is the French government is proposing 00:24:17.897 --> 00:24:22.310 a new law, an influencer law, which. 00:24:23.543 --> 00:24:33.513 Is aimed at increasing social media transparency. So that would include having to disclose Photoshop and filters. 00:24:33.513 --> 00:24:41.296 And especially now, if you look at some of the AI filters that can make you 30 years younger without it looking weird 00:24:41.395 --> 00:24:45.233 in a live video, that kind of stuff is happening right now. 00:24:45.233 --> 00:24:52.793 Which, again, all the effects of this stuff, if you look at the Instagram disease, as I call it, 00:24:52.793 --> 00:24:59.153 which means people are getting problems with their own body image and these kinds of things 00:24:59.153 --> 00:25:04.073 because they're always presented with perfection. 00:25:04.073 --> 00:25:05.314 And a lot of that is fake. 00:25:05.533 --> 00:25:08.662 So that's kind of the idea behind that. 00:25:09.033 --> 00:25:16.553 It's a proposal right now, so it still has to be signed off by the French Senate. 00:25:16.553 --> 00:25:19.673 And they're looking at… Okay, so here's the penalties. 00:25:19.673 --> 00:25:29.273 They are looking at up to six months of jail and up to 300,000 euros of fine. 00:25:30.457 --> 00:25:38.833 Okay. For not disclosing. What do you think of that? Is this new? 00:25:38.833 --> 00:25:43.993 This is a new problem where advertisers or influencers, we call them something else, 00:25:44.267 --> 00:25:52.493 but they're lying to you? I remember back in the day, I mean, there was retouching, magazines aren't real, none 00:25:52.493 --> 00:25:53.493 of this is real. 00:25:53.917 --> 00:26:01.053 True, true, and you and I, we know that, because we are on the other side of that fence. 00:26:01.053 --> 00:26:05.413 We know how the process works, how the sausage is made. 00:26:05.413 --> 00:26:10.418 A lot of people will subconsciously just accept that as reality, for sure. 00:26:11.345 --> 00:26:20.153 Right, but okay, so the argument like that my mom who is I assume in her 70s lifelong smoker she, 00:26:21.392 --> 00:26:26.613 Always claimed that oh, yeah, we didn't know we didn't we didn't know smoking was bad for us as if we thought it was broccoli 00:26:26.613 --> 00:26:29.710 Back then in the in the 60s. We thought smoking was broccoli. 00:26:31.402 --> 00:26:35.853 They knew your folks knew your grandparents knew everybody knew it was an accepted risk 00:26:35.853 --> 00:26:41.773 I don't like this is this gets into much deeper conversation about about society, 00:26:42.844 --> 00:26:44.453 But why are we abdicating? 00:26:44.453 --> 00:26:47.967 Advocating personal responsibility. 00:26:49.191 --> 00:26:57.961 If it wasn't, if it weren't for laws, we would still be going to a fine dining restaurant 00:26:57.961 --> 00:27:01.146 and someone at the tables around us smokes. 00:27:01.381 --> 00:27:06.601 I grew up in that time and this was not going away by telling people that it's bad for you. 00:27:06.601 --> 00:27:08.870 So there's just two sides of this argument. 00:27:10.211 --> 00:27:14.961 So that part's a physical, you know that, I understand, it's a physical smoke coming 00:27:14.961 --> 00:27:16.441 out that's affecting other people. 00:27:16.441 --> 00:27:22.381 I think the main question for me is not even is that a good idea or not, it's the enforceability 00:27:22.381 --> 00:27:25.830 of it. How would you even go about enforcing something like that? 00:27:26.781 --> 00:27:32.461 Well like when you enter a photo contest, oftentimes back in the day you had to provide 00:27:32.461 --> 00:27:38.461 a negative. Or a raw file. Now a raw file. 00:27:38.658 --> 00:27:47.441 But who's in charge of the Instagram raw files? Look at the, I don't know, Snapchat live filters that use AI to change your thing. 00:27:47.441 --> 00:27:54.641 You can't, there's no raw file, there's no way to undoubtedly prove that what you're 00:27:54.641 --> 00:27:56.924 seeing is real or not real. 00:27:57.161 --> 00:27:59.832 Right. But assume it's not real. 00:28:00.521 --> 00:28:10.401 That's it. Assume that all those influencers, easy for me to say, that you see are not real. 00:28:10.401 --> 00:28:16.531 If you see these guys on the, every once in a while a YouTube ad will pop up about how 00:28:16.841 --> 00:28:18.721 to lose 40 pounds in two weeks. 00:28:18.916 --> 00:28:19.961 Well, that's not a thing. 00:28:21.401 --> 00:28:25.461 Unless you're an amputee and then maybe, then I could see something happening. 00:28:25.461 --> 00:28:28.161 But other than that, you're not going to lose 40 pounds in two weeks. 00:28:28.161 --> 00:28:30.259 It doesn't matter what warnings you put on there. 00:28:31.401 --> 00:28:32.006 You should know that. 00:28:34.913 --> 00:28:41.321 Anyway, I think one of the main issues here is, well, one of the things they have to do 00:28:41.321 --> 00:28:46.040 in order to be able to enforce anything like that is to define what an influencer is anyway. 00:28:46.806 --> 00:28:55.441 True. Anyway, next up in the newsreel, have you heard of Sam by MEDA? 00:28:55.441 --> 00:28:58.321 Now that you said the link, I have, yes. 00:28:58.321 --> 00:29:05.981 So here's the thing. Meta, Facebook's parent company, they've introduced an open source AI model called SAMS. 00:29:05.981 --> 00:29:09.716 Stands for Segment Anything Model. 00:29:10.341 --> 00:29:21.021 And the initial claim, I read this in Petapixel, and I think their article missed the mark because they pretty 00:29:21.021 --> 00:29:27.082 much said, oh, yeah, and it can cut out things from video and photos, which, like, OK, 00:29:27.397 --> 00:29:29.141 we have been able to do this for a while now. 00:29:29.141 --> 00:29:35.940 If you look at Adobe's subject selection kind of stuff, works relatively well. 00:29:36.181 --> 00:29:40.661 So like an AI-based mask and this kind of stuff is in there. 00:29:40.661 --> 00:29:41.647 But what that model... 00:29:42.638 --> 00:29:55.768 Does and I think that is what where it's interesting is that it's offering semantic segmentation. So imagine you have a classic example person on the beach. 00:29:56.627 --> 00:30:05.448 Click on them, selects the entire person, fine. Now imagine that you are trying to select someone 00:30:05.448 --> 00:30:11.382 on a picture who is cut in two, cut in half by a table or something, right? 00:30:11.928 --> 00:30:17.848 Something's going in front of them. So that model by Meta knows that the legs 00:30:17.848 --> 00:30:23.608 are part of that upper body. They are, they belong together. So it's a semantic, 00:30:24.453 --> 00:30:29.768 thing. It looks at the object, not at the boundaries and at the 2D pixels. 00:30:29.768 --> 00:30:37.348 It understands objects and knows that this upper half of the building that's cut through by bridge visually, 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:43.848 Belongs to that lower half and now you can select the entire building and it works in real time in video. 00:30:45.113 --> 00:30:49.768 And that's where it is becoming interesting. I think it's not perfect but, 00:30:51.388 --> 00:30:58.437 Segmentation semantic segmentation in real time open sourced. We will see a whole lot of applications, 00:30:59.068 --> 00:31:07.988 Also in the photo world, because I mean, that's one of the big issues with computational photography 00:31:07.988 --> 00:31:15.188 is the bokeh generation, the artificial bokeh, foreground background separation. 00:31:15.188 --> 00:31:20.492 That will be so much easier with an algorithm or with an AI like that. 00:31:21.188 --> 00:31:23.940 Correction. Like you want to correct the entire person? 00:31:25.713 --> 00:31:31.268 Is cut in like standing behind a tree and you just select the person behind the tree and collect 00:31:31.484 --> 00:31:39.951 correct color or do other retouching on them. Yeah, so I think this is quite interesting. 00:31:39.951 --> 00:31:46.271 Also the fact that they are giving this away. It is fantastic. I have used the, it's only, 00:31:46.911 --> 00:31:53.231 very recently I started using the object selection in Photoshop. Up until then, 00:31:53.231 --> 00:31:59.769 And I do it quite, I wouldn't say quite frequently, but one of the things I do for my previously mentioned 00:31:59.851 --> 00:32:05.350 baseball teams, I create the game day magazine covers called the Spieltag Talk. 00:32:05.811 --> 00:32:11.311 And so we do like a real kind of a sports illustrated looking fun thing. 00:32:11.311 --> 00:32:17.692 And oftentimes I'll shoot the subjects in the studio and cut them out and put them in front of some cool something. 00:32:19.551 --> 00:32:23.071 More of a design than I am faking them into anywhere. It's not often I do that. 00:32:23.071 --> 00:32:25.461 But the point is, I need to cut these people out. 00:32:26.791 --> 00:32:30.311 And it's basically this year, I started using the object selection. 00:32:30.311 --> 00:32:32.798 And that's pretty much a one-click, it's a one-click operation now. 00:32:33.351 --> 00:32:39.671 It is, and it does a phenomenal job. Up until now, it did a reasonable job, 00:32:39.671 --> 00:32:42.271 but I could do better on my own. 00:32:42.548 --> 00:32:48.751 It just took about 100 times longer. Now, it's so much faster. 00:32:50.071 --> 00:32:57.831 And this looks like, to do in video too. I know Jeff Greenscreen is pretty upset with his invention being obsolete now. 00:32:57.831 --> 00:33:04.117 Well, there's another AI company that has sort of began obsoleting this and it's RunwayML, 00:33:04.551 --> 00:33:10.671 which they offer an online in-the-browser video editor that does things like that, where 00:33:10.671 --> 00:33:15.316 you can have a person walking through a frame and you can green screen them by clicking on them. 00:33:15.811 --> 00:33:21.194 And it's almost real time. But this one I think takes it one notch up. 00:33:22.833 --> 00:33:30.791 So kudos. Have you followed the DP review, the demise of DP review? 00:33:30.791 --> 00:33:32.780 I have. I've read a little bit about it. 00:33:33.031 --> 00:33:38.711 I actually have more questions than answers. If you're looking for answers, you're out of luck. 00:33:40.387 --> 00:33:48.551 What? Why? Why is it? So we can agree that at least in, let's say, the earlier days of our digital photography, 00:33:48.551 --> 00:33:52.231 For me that's at least true, DPReview was a really important resource because I wanted 00:33:52.231 --> 00:33:56.991 to see all those reviews and I was much more of a pixel peeper back then and you had all 00:33:56.991 --> 00:34:02.668 these discussions and all the tech details and they have pretty much followed the entire 00:34:02.857 --> 00:34:08.071 history of digital photography in a very detailed manner. 00:34:08.071 --> 00:34:12.551 And they have built a huge archive of tests and these kind of things. 00:34:13.408 --> 00:34:18.182 Well in terms of digital photography they were there before I was and so in my world 00:34:18.182 --> 00:34:20.462 they've always existed. 00:34:20.462 --> 00:34:26.282 So the story is Amazon owned them since 2007, they bought them, they had some integration 00:34:26.282 --> 00:34:33.902 with reviews and links and affiliate stuff and so on but felt quite hands off so it was 00:34:33.902 --> 00:34:40.342 never like huge branded Amazon and so on and now Amazon has decided that that's not needed 00:34:40.342 --> 00:34:48.022 anymore. They are laying off people as the entire tech industry does. And so the DP review fell by 00:34:48.022 --> 00:34:55.853 the wayside and that created a huge uproar in the community. Even people like me who haven't been. 00:34:55.979 --> 00:35:03.462 There a lot in the last five years, but there's a history with that site. And I have every now 00:35:03.462 --> 00:35:10.022 and then watched some of their YouTube videos, some tests and stuff. And generally a thing that, 00:35:10.022 --> 00:35:21.262 yeah it kind of belongs to this community and then there was an uproar and then Petapixel actually picked up the two hosts and gave 00:35:21.262 --> 00:35:26.662 them a new home as in the if you go to youtube.com slash petapixel now that's a 00:35:26.662 --> 00:35:40.022 new channel that will be filled by Chris and sorry anyway so and then And then there was the next wave of people going, 00:35:40.022 --> 00:35:42.142 hey, but we need to archive this. 00:35:42.142 --> 00:35:48.422 If this is a huge archive of information that can't just be deleted. 00:35:48.422 --> 00:35:57.142 So the internet archive, archive.org, Wayback Machine, and so on, these guys have said, yep, we 00:35:57.142 --> 00:36:00.976 are going to try to archive that. We're talking about millions of pages. 00:36:01.102 --> 00:36:12.462 I mean, it's a lot of stuff there. So they announced to archive it and make it available as a single archive somewhere. 00:36:13.174 --> 00:36:18.702 But then, and this is the latest development, this is the update, apparently someone at Amazon 00:36:18.702 --> 00:36:26.222 has heard the outcry of the community and they have now announced that first of all they will 00:36:26.222 --> 00:36:32.622 continue posting articles for a while. Not clear, the official cut-off date was two days ago, we're 00:36:32.622 --> 00:36:36.862 We're recording this on the 12th of April, so 10th of April was the official cut-off date. 00:36:36.862 --> 00:36:44.754 So that was sort of extended. And the second thing is they also announced that they want to provide this archive to, 00:36:45.942 --> 00:36:54.672 for free. So Amazon is keeping that archive online. So, sort of half good news. 00:36:57.861 --> 00:37:06.432 I haven't gone deep into why they're canceling it or shutting it down. That happens, things change. 00:37:06.432 --> 00:37:12.832 I do know. I have a very good feeling why. If you look at cameras, 00:37:12.832 --> 00:37:20.358 Because the thing that you and I and a lot of us have been preaching forever is that 00:37:20.432 --> 00:37:22.272 the tech isn't that important. 00:37:22.272 --> 00:37:25.072 It's you the photographer who is important. 00:37:25.516 --> 00:37:31.070 And I have the feeling that for a few years now we've been tech wise at a point where 00:37:31.432 --> 00:37:35.572 that is actually true where it doesn't really matter in the same price point you can pick 00:37:35.842 --> 00:37:38.632 up any camera and it'll be good enough for whatever you need. 00:37:38.632 --> 00:37:43.512 A lot of people feel that and the influx of smartphone photography, which is pretty much 00:37:43.512 --> 00:37:53.657 taken over, is, is, is, is fueling that as well. So we are looking at a time where there. 00:37:54.477 --> 00:38:00.232 Isn't that much need anymore for in depth tech reviews, because every camera has enough 00:38:00.232 --> 00:38:07.632 megapixels and has enough dynamic range and has colors that are nice. And the autofocus, That's my big one. 00:38:07.632 --> 00:38:13.534 That's the big... For sports, yeah, sure. Of course, they will always be specialized. But this is a niche. 00:38:13.952 --> 00:38:18.494 This is becoming more and more of a niche, the tech nerdery about photography. 00:38:18.999 --> 00:38:24.752 Yeah, no, I can... I haven't read a lot recently because it does for exactly what you said. 00:38:24.752 --> 00:38:28.721 It is a little bit, through no fault of their own, a little bit repetitive. 00:38:29.232 --> 00:38:31.752 It's okay, yeah, it's got this, it's got this. It's like, hey, guess what? 00:38:31.752 --> 00:38:32.628 You should buy this camera. 00:38:33.348 --> 00:38:36.558 All of them, every one of them. You're fine. Don't worry about it. 00:38:38.156 --> 00:38:44.398 So that I get, but what would be in it for Amazon to completely delete the archives? 00:38:44.398 --> 00:38:46.438 I know they're not now, but what was their initial thought process? 00:38:47.038 --> 00:38:54.318 Oh, again, big, big layoff round, as in all the tech companies, and Amazon is a tech company. 00:38:54.396 --> 00:38:57.678 So they're, I'm not really sure. 00:38:57.678 --> 00:39:04.518 Or, I mean, probably, probably, uh, some people in the office are looking at the bottom line 00:39:04.518 --> 00:39:06.438 and say, yeah, it's not making enough. 00:39:06.828 --> 00:39:07.598 Let's get rid of it. 00:39:08.133 --> 00:39:13.878 Possibly. Okay. You can just leave it there. Is there, is there a digital rot that's going to happen? I don't know. 00:39:14.518 --> 00:39:19.358 No. Okay. I'll talk to Jeff next time we have coffee. I'll, uh, Jeff B. 00:39:19.358 --> 00:39:22.897 I don't want to give away, I don't want to give his whole name, but I know a guy at Amazon named Jeff B. 00:39:23.038 --> 00:39:25.118 No, he's not at Amazon anymore. He's out. 00:39:25.718 --> 00:39:27.938 Yeah. Oh, as far as you know. That's right. 00:39:28.038 --> 00:39:33.638 That's right. Alright, next on the list is, well, is it good news? 00:39:33.638 --> 00:39:40.998 Fujifilm is planning to launch a new color negative film, which awesome, wonderful, new 00:39:40.998 --> 00:39:46.113 films, but it looks like that might be replacing the Superior X-tra 400. 00:39:47.815 --> 00:39:55.158 So which is, the Superior X-tra 400 is kind of the go to the DM market and pick one up. 00:39:55.158 --> 00:40:03.718 Is the Kodak Gold of Fuji pretty much. Right. Right. It's a standard well balanced for daylight 00:40:03.718 --> 00:40:09.744 negative film ISO 400 and that new one is called the Fuji film 400 color negative film. 00:40:10.393 --> 00:40:16.318 So I don't know why they're doing this. It's certainly generating some news in the film 00:40:16.550 --> 00:40:24.398 community. It might guarantee us a fourth edition of the film photography book 00:40:24.398 --> 00:40:31.878 because that we need to update the film, the film tables of course. What is 00:40:31.878 --> 00:40:36.643 this gonna cost if I walk into a DM here? I have no idea. I haven't, I haven't, I 00:40:36.688 --> 00:40:48.558 have done all my film shopping for years in the, on the online and I I have mostly not bought these kind of films, 00:40:48.878 --> 00:40:53.358 not because I don't like them, but because a few years ago, 00:40:53.358 --> 00:40:58.358 someone donated to me like four kilos of 35 millimeter 00:40:58.636 --> 00:41:01.238 expired color negative film, which is awesome. 00:41:01.517 --> 00:41:04.109 So I'm still feeding off that. 00:41:04.958 --> 00:41:09.718 Right, I get most of my film, actually I just, I steal it from your office when you're out looking, so. 00:41:09.718 --> 00:41:12.454 Yeah, and I wouldn't even notice because there's so much of it. 00:41:13.158 --> 00:41:17.118 No, no, it's good. It's an excellent price. Yeah, so I don't even know what this would cost anymore. 00:41:17.118 --> 00:41:20.398 I mean, back in the day, if you wanted to go shoot a roll of film 00:41:20.646 --> 00:41:26.518 and get it processed and get, you know, 24, 36 prints, whatever it was, it would, soup to nuts, 00:41:26.518 --> 00:41:28.334 It would cost you about a buck a print. 00:41:29.784 --> 00:41:32.354 By the time you bought the film, get the processing done and get... 00:41:32.354 --> 00:41:38.914 I mean, the film isn't officially... the film is listed on like B&H Photo and other 00:41:38.914 --> 00:41:45.474 sites already, but it's listed as not available yet. So the price is not fixed yet. The rumor 00:41:45.474 --> 00:41:51.474 I've heard is that you'll be buying them for like in the US for about a 10 or 10 per roll. 00:41:52.354 --> 00:41:58.274 Okay. So film prices, they don't sell as much anymore, of course. So... 00:41:58.274 --> 00:42:00.869 Sure. Sure. Film prices have gone up. Of course they have. 00:42:01.354 --> 00:42:07.935 So that's the rumor right now. We'll soon find out. 00:42:08.074 --> 00:42:14.074 If they're going to all this effort to replace something or make a new, introduce a new film, there's got to be, 00:42:14.074 --> 00:42:17.834 obviously, they're smarter about this than I am. There's got to be a market there. 00:42:17.834 --> 00:42:20.664 And so I take this as encouraging news. 00:42:20.834 --> 00:42:27.314 Well, it could also be that there's some chemicals that are not feasible to get anymore 00:42:27.314 --> 00:42:32.594 because they're too expensive or too poisonous or whatever and they have to change the emulsion 00:42:32.594 --> 00:42:36.490 and they use this as an excuse to beat the drum. 00:42:39.274 --> 00:42:44.926 And get some publicity out of it. Possible, again, I'm not working for Fuji's, I don't know. 00:42:45.434 --> 00:42:47.743 The canister is green, so I get it. 00:42:47.874 --> 00:42:55.521 Okay, I see what they're doing. All right, next one up. If I say the word Mickey Mouse camera, 00:42:55.794 --> 00:43:01.922 what comes to your mind if you do an image search on Google Images for Mickey Mouse camera? 00:43:02.354 --> 00:43:09.250 If I do a Google search for Mickey Mouse camera, I'm going to be put on a list that I don't want to be on. 00:43:09.554 --> 00:43:14.417 No, you're buying something out of cheap plastic for your kids, like Mickey Mouse head as a 00:43:14.674 --> 00:43:20.234 camera, the ears, the Disneyfication. Did I have a Mickey Mouse camera as a kid? 00:43:20.234 --> 00:43:23.842 I went to Disneyland a couple of times when I was a kid. You probably did. 00:43:24.114 --> 00:43:30.434 I did. I think there was probably a Kodak put something out like the little the little what was the 00:43:30.434 --> 00:43:36.434 one the 130 not the not the 134 was the little one 10 film 110 110 that you could pretend 00:43:36.434 --> 00:43:42.396 you were a spy in a car a novel and so I think we had that it was about four bucks to buy, 00:43:42.954 --> 00:43:45.277 by the camera, which included the film, I think. 00:43:46.951 --> 00:43:50.750 That's what I imagine. Possibly, possibly. Yeah, so Mickey Mouse camera. 00:43:50.849 --> 00:43:56.281 Yeah, when I read this, I thought of these and then I clicked the article and it's a 00:43:56.281 --> 00:43:58.726 Mickey Mouse camera by Leica. 00:43:59.491 --> 00:44:06.381 Right. This is funny. So we're not looking at a Mickey Mouse lookalike camera, of course. 00:44:06.381 --> 00:44:12.121 So what they've done is they have a limited edition, as they do a special limited edition 00:44:12.121 --> 00:44:19.801 of the Q2, which is an awesome camera. And they have like where you'd normally have the leather, 00:44:20.548 --> 00:44:27.081 around the camera. That's where they put Mickey Mouse 100th anniversary Mickey Mouse Disney. 00:44:28.956 --> 00:44:37.049 Anniversary edition with, they call it the 100 years of wonder. Again, 500. 500 is the limit. 00:44:37.175 --> 00:44:41.561 And the leather part is now like, looks like parchment paper that they draw the comic 00:44:41.561 --> 00:44:45.763 strips on and some original Mickey Mouse drawings and things like that. Okay. 00:44:46.821 --> 00:44:51.001 So they made this strictly so that you would talk about it on your show. 00:44:51.173 --> 00:44:55.721 Which I'm doing, I'm giving them free. Yeah. Uh, well, let me put a damper on that 00:44:55.828 --> 00:44:58.561 cause it's, it's, it's, it's a bargain. 00:44:59.735 --> 00:45:04.361 I think it's a bargain. 6,200 euros. Come on. Right. 00:45:04.884 --> 00:45:18.481 Yeah, I don't I don't actually know who this is for. And and it's and it's about at least here in Europe, I think it's like a few hundred 00:45:18.481 --> 00:45:22.600 bucks more expensive than the basic q2. 00:45:22.921 --> 00:45:28.443 So right, you're paying you're paying you're paying several hundred bucks for the styling 00:45:28.542 --> 00:45:30.281 and having Mickey on your camera. 00:45:30.281 --> 00:45:36.681 Well, on the flip side, if you're a potential camera thief, this is going to look like something 00:45:36.681 --> 00:45:37.976 you're not going to waste your time on. 00:45:38.441 --> 00:45:45.520 So you can walk in through any anywhere you want. So here's the aspect theft protection. 00:45:45.801 --> 00:45:47.942 Yeah, I'm with you there. 00:45:48.689 --> 00:45:53.161 Okay. All right. Last but not least. Play it with Edge Browser. 00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:59.049 No. That's Microsoft's web browser, which is Chromium-based. 00:45:59.049 --> 00:46:04.929 So it has the same engine under it that Chrome has, or Brave browser have, 00:46:04.929 --> 00:46:06.849 and other Chromium-based browsers. 00:46:06.849 --> 00:46:14.921 And they were the first ones to integrate Chat GPT into the browser. 00:46:15.329 --> 00:46:27.249 So you can, in Edge, even on the Mac version, you can go click on the Bing logo and then open up Bing with which is 00:46:27.249 --> 00:46:32.129 Microsoft search engine with chat GPT integration so you can ask it things like, 00:46:33.489 --> 00:46:41.802 yesterday I've recorded happy shooting and we I tested it and put in when is happy shooting live 00:46:42.108 --> 00:46:48.049 because we do a live stream once a week and it told me that it first told me oh happy shooting 00:46:48.049 --> 00:46:53.009 by the way is a podcast about photography with Chris Marquardt and Boris Nienke and it. 00:46:53.901 --> 00:47:00.129 I don't know where live is but there is a web page happyshooting.de live where you might find 00:47:00.129 --> 00:47:05.694 out more so it went it was really helpful and a conversational chatty tone and then it gave me 00:47:05.811 --> 00:47:11.089 like what links it visited and other potential questions to ask by a mouse click and so on so 00:47:11.089 --> 00:47:21.709 So they have been in bed with open AI and getting their AI on board and trying to become 00:47:21.709 --> 00:47:27.789 a more interesting browser because their market share is like under 5% right now, I think. 00:47:27.789 --> 00:47:30.559 I'm literally just hearing that it exists from you right now. 00:47:31.081 --> 00:47:39.889 Yeah. So again, Bing search engine was always a joke, but they are, they've put Google on 00:47:39.889 --> 00:47:46.385 alert. Google has it said that Google had a had a code read because of being 00:47:46.649 --> 00:47:53.449 integrating AI into the into the search. Anyway so the reason I'm bringing this 00:47:53.449 --> 00:47:59.209 up in a photography context is that they are now also going to integrate DALI 00:47:59.209 --> 00:48:07.018 into Edge browser. So you'll have a tool in there that will allow you everyone to. 00:48:07.809 --> 00:48:15.829 Type in what picture you want and then it spits out four pictures created by Dali. 00:48:15.829 --> 00:48:24.077 To use in say your blog posts or whatever. Whichever I don't even know what the licensing exactly is and so on. 00:48:24.249 --> 00:48:31.389 So this is this is news I have tried yesterday in in the Edge version on the Mac version 00:48:31.389 --> 00:48:36.446 of edge but it wasn't in there yet so I don't really know what the terms are but 00:48:36.669 --> 00:48:43.229 I think it's it's getting that that kind of esoteric technology in front of a lot 00:48:43.229 --> 00:48:54.309 of new people that wouldn't have had access before. That does sound very very cool. I hope this is headed. 00:48:53.659 --> 00:48:58.149 I say hope, I mean there's a plus and minus to it, but one of the things where I think 00:48:58.149 --> 00:49:07.029 this kind of thing will come in very handy is in video, is shooting B-roll footage of 00:49:07.029 --> 00:49:13.189 really boring things, which if we could now generate those to cover up our edits and sort 00:49:13.189 --> 00:49:17.629 of illustrate our point, that's going to streamline the process. 00:49:17.629 --> 00:49:21.440 You could use this for storyboarding for example, right? 00:49:22.016 --> 00:49:28.909 Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, so yeah, to do a storyboard ahead of time of what you are going to shoot, which 00:49:28.909 --> 00:49:32.989 I've never particularly done, A, I don't like it and B, I'm not very good at sketching. 00:49:32.989 --> 00:49:38.472 And so this would probably be a very good example of a great use of this. 00:49:39.012 --> 00:49:41.949 I gotta go storyboard something. Are we done here? 00:49:41.949 --> 00:49:50.429 Well, next Holzfeller woodworking video, fully storyboarded, like the entire process. 00:49:50.429 --> 00:50:02.069 The birdhouse gonna look like? You could have edge, Dali's edge integration give you ideas for what it should look like. Make a birdhouse 00:50:02.069 --> 00:50:08.737 for the Tubing and Hawks that has plexiglass in front and takes 00:50:08.989 --> 00:50:14.509 money and looks cool. It needs a bit of a Black Forest look or something to it. 00:50:14.715 --> 00:50:16.218 I was actually going to ask you. 00:50:17.172 --> 00:50:21.215 What are you doing with the old invisible camera? Because I might just use that to hold the money. 00:50:21.610 --> 00:50:25.202 It's, it's, I can, I can almost see it from here. 00:50:25.292 --> 00:50:27.360 It's in that, in that cabinet. 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.160 I just introduced my kids. My kids are now nine and 11 years old. 00:50:32.160 --> 00:50:36.480 And I just introduced that to them. They watched the video and thought it was the greatest thing of all time. 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:44.008 Um, yes, my, my, my daughter is a fan of a particular, uh, book and movie series. 00:50:44.098 --> 00:50:47.726 And once I told her that connection, she could not believe it. 00:50:48.221 --> 00:50:51.426 So that's off the air situation we'll talk about. But the. 00:50:53.821 --> 00:50:58.600 No, like I now I'm imagining what would so way back in the in the old days. 00:50:58.600 --> 00:51:01.707 And I think all these things in terms of video and movies and stuff like that. 00:51:02.625 --> 00:51:12.560 But very beginning, like around like 1981 or 82, Francis Ford Coppola basically revamped the whole the whole movie industry 00:51:12.560 --> 00:51:15.760 was shooting like video on on like for rehearsals for the 00:51:16.155 --> 00:51:22.320 like the Outsiders, for example, a movie he made, and and people couldn't believe it was mind blowing. And then so I imagine 00:51:22.565 --> 00:51:31.440 what would Kubrick have done with this back in the day, like if he was shooting 2001, or anything that he would do, he 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:35.200 was infamous for shooting a million takes of nothing. What 00:51:35.240 --> 00:51:42.040 what would he have done? What will the AI Kubrick do with this AI in the future. That's what I want to know. 00:51:43.351 --> 00:51:52.040 Runway ML, we mentioned this earlier, now has gen two out, which is their video generator. It's a dolly for video. Okay, 00:51:52.040 --> 00:52:03.800 so there's a whole new visual language developing in front of our eyes that uses AI to create things out of thin air. And it's, 00:52:04.246 --> 00:52:07.252 it's, it's we're living in exciting times, I think. 00:52:08.189 --> 00:52:13.640 I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with this. And also, scared to death. 00:52:13.640 --> 00:52:17.776 At the same time, everyone is... 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:21.960 Crapping their pants. Anyway, we are at the end of this episode. 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:23.816 Alan, thank you so much for your time. 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:31.120 You are at the... is it the Two Hosers or Two Hosers? I always have... 00:52:31.738 --> 00:52:35.120 It's just TwoHosers.com. TwoHosers.com. See? Occam's Razor, Chris. 00:52:35.240 --> 00:52:44.459 I have... Yeah, I don't go to the website. I have it subscribed in my podcast client. 00:52:44.540 --> 00:52:50.860 And your YouTube channel, holzfellerwoodworking.com. It's easier to go to the show notes 00:52:50.860 --> 00:52:54.235 and click the link that I'll definitely put there. 00:52:54.380 --> 00:52:55.540 Thank you so much for your time. 00:52:55.820 --> 00:52:57.800 And thanks for having me. Have a good one! 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:12.080 Music. 00:53:12.383 --> 00:53:17.293 And that was it for today. Thank you so much for listening, thanks for subscribing and thanks for leaving a rating 00:53:17.293 --> 00:53:18.523 or a review wherever you get your podcasts. 00:53:19.910 --> 00:53:24.333 You're awesome. And of course, thanks to Alan for stopping by. 00:53:24.333 --> 00:53:28.579 Make sure to visit the Two Hosers podcast and his YouTube channel Holzfeller Woodworking. 00:53:29.938 --> 00:53:36.879 Link is in the show notes. 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